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Hi, Abraham and Kim,

How courageous of you for sharing your testimony! It made me pray for you both.

I know out of personal (traumatic) experience some of the troubles and hardships you must have gone through. I wish you al the best!

What I am about to say, feels a bit too personal for a public post such as this, but then again I am compelled to share some of my experience. But I absolutely understand if you decide to delete the post.

Let me start by stating that I respect everybody’s personal views, thoughts and choices, particularly your choices for not doing IVF, putting your trust in God rather than men. But I would like to leave you with a consideration: is it not so that when the ambulance came, men ended up saving Kim’s life? Or one could say it was Gods working trough those men. It might sound harsh when put down in writing, but I mean it in a loving, compassionate way. I also almost lost my wife during a (double/twin) pregnancy. One of the eggs got stuck in the oviduct, causing it to rupture. Unseen by the doctors, she had an internal bleeding. It took more than a day, being sent home again, when only after persistence, the last doctor didn’t trust the situation and just to be sure decided to do an extra scan. She then saw some strange bubbles she did not trust and started an emergency operation. If the rupture or bleeding had been any more severe, I would have lost my wife (internal bleedings can cause dead within a fraction of the time depending on the severety)

The miraculous thing my wife survived and the other (twin) pregnancy continued. We had our first son in 2020. In 2025 we had our second child, a girl.

Both pregnancies were with medical assistance. First IUI, second IVF. My wife and I had opposing opinions about this topic. She prayed allot for pregnancy, I was not yet in agreement with Christ. But in the end, in hindsight, I believe that it could not have been without God's blessing. Any pregnancy however it may come is in my view a miraculous thing. The notion that out of two cells new life can be born with every single step in between that has to go precisely wright in order for it to succeed, is nothing short of a miracle. Even in our doing 'wrong,' God can make it good.

Sure it is medical assisted with men made technology. But just like any other technology it can be put to use for good (all honour to God) or for sin (death). Like in Romans 6(:13).

Not excluding that God can work in the supernatural, but sometimes he works through the natural.

Once again I understand and respect your choice for not doing IVF, for numerous reasons (let God guide you through this). I had the same position on this topic but a compassionate and meek hart towards the position of my wife. I would also invite you to consider a lighter attitude towards medically assisted pregnancy. Not to persuade you in anything, because you are right; pregnancy can been a scary thing and the hormonal aspects are brutal and can be a serious consideration. Such as also the financial aspects (we happen to live in a country where healthcare assurance covers most of the costs under certain circumstances).

Having children is also not easy, and being a parent can be hard (your time with God is suddenly consumed with earthly things, as banal and carnal as it gets: feeding, diapers, cleaning, sleeping, etc), but somehow at the same time having kids is bringing me closer to God, and I learn so much from them. For me it brought so much insight into how the Lord loves us, about the Father, about the Son and about the Holy Spirit. It is like I am witnessing God through my children every day.

I sincerely pray that this gift of having offspring may still come upon you two (if you still so wish). As I believe (even without personally knowing you) that you would be great parents.

I pray in the name of Jezus that the demon of fear and sorrow caused by the traumatic pregnancy leaves you, and that you are healed from this experience and be filled with love. God bless you and all the best in moving forward!

Abraham Ojeda's avatar

Greetings, thanks for sharing your experience, and I really appreciate the heartfelt message and the kind way in which you delivered it. Thankfully, we have been delivered from any demonic activity and traumas / wounds associated with the miscarriage. However, I appreciate your prayers. May God bless you also!!!

Jerry Wills's avatar

Thank you brother so much.

Charmaine's avatar

Brother, your central point is important: our identity must be in Christ, not in Sabbath keeping, feast keeping, denominational labels, or religious performance. But I believe you go beyond Scripture when you teach that Job’s fear gave Satan legal access, or that miscarriage, sickness, and tragedy can be traced to misplaced identity. God Himself said Satan attacked Job “without cause” (Job 2:3). Fear may torment us, but Job 3:25 does not say fear caused his calamity.

Obedience is the fruit of salvation, never the means of earning it. Yet supernatural manifestations are not the test of righteousness either, because Jesus warned that some would prophesy, cast out devils, and do wonderful works while He still said, “I never knew you” (Matthew 7:22–23). The evidence of Christ within is faith working by love, obedience, humility, and the fruit of the Spirit. Keep calling people away from legalism and toward Christ—but please do not place guilt upon suffering people that God Himself has not placed upon them.

Abraham Ojeda's avatar

You must have missed the end where I clearly present Matthew 5:19 together with Matthew 7:23? I don't see how you can arrive at a place of "guilt" from my teaching.

Jerry Wills's avatar

The law of the heart, the law of love that casts out, love that has no guile, love that has no judgemental attitude, freedom in Christ. Jesus in me completes the law. The law of the Spirit. On cow isting with others, ones being judgemental, some even go so far as to say one is a spot or blemish within your love feasts, tares. But God said let them grow together, let God deal with them. You do not know another mans servant. You first get the plank out of your own eye. Let God and the angels separate when harvest time comes. Two thing Jesus said is the complement of a victorious life. Love the Lord thy God with all your heart, mind and Spirit and your brother as yourself. Likewise I see an Israelite under a tree with no guile, Nathaniel. Jesus is our law, He lives with me. We have sup and walk together as one. It is the law of the Spirit, I am complete. We have now come into our rest.

FEARLESS RON's avatar

Abraham, I've stated before this is absolutely the very best series ever. Concern, in this #6 we are 26 min in and nothing new. You could have put this into 1.5 to 2 min. We want MEAT not cotton candy.

Abraham Ojeda's avatar

Rom 10:17 "So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."

Never despise the proclamation of God's word. It may be repetitive to you, but not for others.